Why Metal Gear Solid 4 Sucks!
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There are tons of things that you simply cannot understand no matter how hard you try. Stuff like “Why people watch American Idol” and “Are turn signals really that hard to use”. Everyone has things that they simply cannot grasp. Here are mine for today:
Why do people like Metal Gear Solid 4?
I don’t get what people find so appealing about these games… they aren’t games. They are hours and hours of mind bogglingly bad FMV sequences punctuated with the occasional part you get to play a very repetitious game. It’s like watching a really, really badly written and poorly acted hong kong sci fi movie that takes itself way too seriously and every hour or so you can push some buttons on your remote but no matter what you do your actions cannot avoid, change, prevent or otherwise improve the plodding, heavy handed story. Throw in more inane plot twists, completely immature poop jokes, shameless self exposition and more shallow one dimensional characters than your average soap opera and you have Metal Gear Solid. I think I loathe it as much as Halo now. It’s like being forced to listen to your crazy uncle prattle on and on and on about his conspiracy theories just so you might possibly get him to give you a dollar. I can understand liking the actual game that is hidden between all the crap sandwiches but you STILL have to take repeated bites of a very large crap sandwich to play it. It’s like telling someone you’ll give them some candy… if they let you hit them in the hand with a hammer for four hours first. I question the fans of this series taste repeatedly in my mind. If it was somehow possible to remove all the crap from Metal Gear Solid and leave you with just the game I would probably think highly of it… but if you remove all the crap then you have a game that would last about an hour…
The actual game, if it could be removed from the horrid story, gibberish dialog, shallow awkward characters and long winded soap boxing could probably be pretty good… provided they trimmed some stuff and altered the completely wonky control scheme, but as it is the framework ruins any decency the game portions generate. Metal Gear Solid -the game portions- is a mostly tasty sweet pickle slathered inside the biggest sh!t sandwich I have ever seen. I don’t like having to take repeated forced bites of said sh!t sandwich to get to that tasty sweet pickle relish, which is forever tainted with the aftertaste of sh!t from being inside said sh!t sandwich.
Halo at least had the gaul to let you -play- most of the time and feel like you were driving the story… Metal Gear just feels like one long, winding badly written movie that makes you play a game to see the next piece… of which it constantly interrupts your game to remind you of that.
Watch movie, watch more movie, watch even more movie… start to yawn… oh! I get to play some game now? Thanks!… oh wait… I was only allowed to play a few minutes now I have to watch more movie… and watch more movie. When is this going to be over? Can I play some of this sixty dollar movie I just bought?
As I said, I can’t understand how smart, articulate folks who by all accounts should enjoy smart, articulate entertainment can stomach the pure stupidity and ham-fisted storytelling that is Metal Gear.
From what I’ve seen more people are gay for Metal Gear Solid than there are penguins in the arctic. I just wish more folks would pipe up and admit that the storyline is one big crock of duck. I mean, I hear people clamoring to see this junk as an honest to god movie in the theaters… that would be the most painful Uwe Boll style horror I can think of. The only thing that saves Metal Gear Solid is that every hour or so you get to play a tolerably decent, albeit over hyped and overcomplicated, game for a few minutes. If you remove the sweet pickle from the sh!t sandwich I’m not sure many people would want it anymore.
Much like my qualms with modern anime I wonder if the Japanese get more out of all this malarkey than I am. I mean, the story of Metal Gear is just -so- Japanese… it’s dripping with Japanese… by that I mean the painfully cliched and shallow characters, the common themes of pointless sacrifice, mental issues and awkward almost misunderstood use of emotions like love, the seeming need for plots within plots within twists within convolutions as if a simple straightforward story was too easy, the over the topness of it all and always that ghost that the Japanese writer just doesn’t properly understand the west, westerners, how they act and react, what actually drives them and how they actually carry themselves. I mean Asians love to complain that “the western white man doesn’t know how to write Asian themed movies because he doesn’t understand the Asian mind” and they are RIGHT. The same goes for Asians trying to write western themed movies starring westerners doing western things. The story of Metal Gear is like a non westerner watched too many bad eastern imitations of western Hollywood action movies (which themselves have bizarre issues when viewed through the eyes of a westerner) and only gleaned the over the top junk from it all and then tried to shove it all together into one big pot.
If Metal Gear Solid was an anime it would fit right in like a fat guy laying a reeking garbage barge in a public bathroom.
To be as blunt as possible the reason I DON’T like it is because the story is crap. It is badly written, poorly executed and overall terrible. If that terrible story had been told in a way that involved the player rather than yanking them out of the game and the immersion to watch it transpire I would have much less to complain about. The point of a GAME is to immerse yourself in the world and control your character’s course in it, not to simply watch your character perform actions that you may or may not agree with. At it’s core it’s a control issue. Metal Gear Solid is a movie, it controls the course of everything and you are along for the ride… as opposed to a true “game” that you play and feel like you are guiding the direction of the game rather than it guiding you (even though it IS actually doing that).
What I really don’t understand is my big qualm is with fat guys stinking up my office can… the Metal Gear thing was thrown in simply because I’m sick of people giving it handjobs right and left all over my office, the internet, you name it. Metal Gear is like that hot chick in high school that everyone goes out of their way to be nice to and suck up to even though she is a shallow queen bitch that if you ever actually got a chance to date her you’d be putting up with mountains of crap on a daily basis and listening to her yammer on and on constantly about crap you could care less about. I know people still love the hot chick… I choose not to. It’s all opinion in the end and mostly my own personal inability to understand why people who I see as intelligent “deep” folks go so ga-ga over what I see as one of the most retarded things in recent memory.
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Maybe that’s exactly why people like MGS. They know what they’re getting into. It’s a different kind of genre that heavily interleaves the storyline like an interactive move. If you have ADD or something, stick to Tekken.
Nice blog *cough* sarcasm *cough*, next time you should write: “Why so many people love Halo and Gears of War so much”. The name of the site doesn’t give this article too much credibility either…
But I’ll be be serious now…
Halo and GoWa is the “hot chick” you were talking about, not MGS4. Everyone nowadays prefer to blow stuff up mindlessly, whereas in MGS4 that doesn’t happen. As a game, is unarguable excellent, but not perfect (the controls aren’t very intuitive sometimes). If you take your time, you can complete this game in about 24 hrs without getting bored once. Got any problem with cutscenes? Skip them!
As a story, well, it’s very emotive and philosophical. For a game, the story is great, not the best, just great. It’s easy to say the story sucks if you don’t understand it, you just have to be open-minded about these sort of things, and not take them too seriously of course (like you did).
hmmm… lets see who likes mgs… oh, right! actual critics! also consumers, and people who dont say shit sandwhich in every single sentance.
coming from an mgs fan, yes, there are a lot of cutscenes. but if youve played the previous games, you’ll know exactly whats going on, and will shit bricks.
besides… how can you not go for a game with solid snake? he’s cleary the biggest badass in video game history, him and captain price
If you think MGS4 sucks so bad as well as Halo, then what games do you tend to like? MGS4 is what a action/adventure RPG is suppose to be. You are the kickass protagonist Solid Snake and you play the story that has been built up over many other games in the series. Yeah there are a lot of cutscenes that makes the game very much like a movie, but if you pull the stick out of your ass for 5 minutes and just lay back and enjoy it or just skip it then it is really not a problem. I mean the creator was summing up the entire story and everything that happened to the characters in this game. I wasn’t surprised at all that it had a lot of movies and cutscenes. But the game is still very open. Yeah you have your missions that you are suppose to be performing but it doesn’t mean you have to do it there way. The way they made the game was so you can sneak around like they say or go in and make as much noise as you want. The controls aren’t perfect but then again they changed a few things in this one compared to the old ones. I work at a store where I talk to gamers everyday and all of them rave about MGS4, even the critics who had bad things to say still gave it very high scores in their ratings. And yeah I am not surprised that it has a Japanese feel to it since the creator is Japanese, but it was no different than any action movie made in Hollywood. Most of the cutscenes were as enjoyable or more enjoyable than a lot of the action movies that come out in America today. Gaming is suppose to be fun quit trying to make it all serious with your bullshit.
While you have every right to dislike/hate MGS4, I find it hilarious that you just can’t get that other people don’t feel the same way as you.
I love MGS4, and if you want to judge me on that, then by all means; go right ahead. I love it for what it is, not because I have some messed up notion of what it should be. What makes you think that you’re in any way QUALIFIED to make that judgement?
Hah, at least someone else reached the same conclusion I have. MGS 4 is a shit sandwich of unrealistic plot twists, buggy levels, plays like a dull shitey 3rd person shooter. I’m playing MGS 2 right now and it’s BETTER then 4. Amazing isn’t it? Sure Raiden and his missus having domestics over the codec, but it is nowhere near as pretentious as 4 is. Naomi is clearly the most stupid character to have ever existed in computer game history. It’s not a stealth game either. You can just run and gun it if you want, which doesn’t make it a very tactical espionagey game does it?
Anyone who still supports Metal Gear Solid but hasn’t played 4 should just write a fan fiction of how they’d have ended it and just leave it at that. The disappointment I feel about 4 makes it one of the worse games I’ve ever “played”. Namely because there wasn’t much playing in it.
All other of comments are bullshit too. Please take off the blinkers and close your mouths. You’re attracting flies.
@KMD you all the other posts are bullshit? Oh please, do elaborate why yours isn’t! You posted nothing but opinions (your opinions suck btw). You simply have the wrong point of view about this game, everything you just said is discussible.
One of the worst games you have ever played? Well, it happens that some (actual) critics consider MGS4 to be one of the best games ever made, pesonally, I wouldn’t go that far, but it’s very, very good. Nuff said.
WARNING *SPOILERS AHEAD*
Do you want to know why my opinion isn’t bullshit saywhat?? Frankly it’s because it’s the truth that you refuse to see because of your rampant fanboyism. If you turned off your blinkers and played the actual game; you’d realise that it’s overhyped bullshit plot flatters the tempermental AI and poppycock characters. The characters (with the clear exceptions of Raiden and Sonny) felt hackneyed; with horrid lines that has destoyed the credibilty of the entire series for me. For instance, take the character Otacon; Indeed, he is a whiny bitch but he’s a bright guy right? Can you explain to me why he shagged Naomi, the woman who poisoned his best friend with Foxdie? People don’t shag people they’ve just meet; especially people who’ve poisoned someone they care about with an irreversable disease. Bit of a logic gap isn’t it?
I did a wee experiment actually. I decided to see how much ‘game’ was in this game if you just took out the cutscenes and just ran for it. My original game was 15 hours+ due to my inane ability to kill myself in new ways, bosses who zoned on my location almost immediately and the cutscenes which lasted an age everytime I made any sort of progress. Then when you begin a level, cue another cutscene, and codec moments featuring Otacon preaching instructions to old crunchy Snake.
I made it to Act 5 in 6 hours. I would’ve made it in 4 hours+ if it weren’t for the fact that Act 3 is hopelessly broken. I witnessed a guy whom I was following reset his AI route, getting halfway near a van, then turns around and runs away, and does the same thing about six or seven times before the game gave up the ghost, and planted the bloke somewhere else.
I am indeed rather shocked that it got such high praise from “actual” critics. I’m reading the scores now actually, all 9s and 10s across the board. Problem with that of course is that critics are susceptable to conformity and have to agree to whatever their publishing company allows them to say. With advertising money at stake, they can’t be too gushing. ;)
If you disagree with what I and the OP says, that’s fine, but don’t preach to me that I have no say because I’m not an actual critic and that I think that MGS 4 is one of the worst games I’ve ever played.
In terms of 3rd person shooters, GOW, Freedom Fighters, and even Dark Sector beats this game. Nuff said yeah?
This game fuckin sucks ass -plain and simple. Cannot believe how anyone could play this shit for longer than an hour
I cannot stand this game, it is one of the first I chose for the PS3 and do in fact regret it. The controls absolutely do not work, I agree with ALL negative comments on this post!!!
Okay I know you posted this over a year ago and everything and I’m not trying to down your opinion about the game and all cause its your opinion and that’s cool. I jus want to point out on little thing I disagree with. To say people don’t shag people they jus met…. Come on man where have you been, yes they do. Here are two reasons why that part made perfect sense. 1. Did you see how low Naomi (I moan backwards btw) had her damn clevage showing. That shit had hoe written all over it. 2. Come on look at Otacon man, you know that dude ain’t had none in a while. If he was as sexually frustrated as he damn sure looks then hell yeah he woulda “shagged” her. As far as poisoning Snake goes. He probably figured well hell its not like snake died from that shit or anything. Besides Snake is in that horny old man stage, I’m sure he’ll understand. Jus saying dude, hoe + sexually frustrated geek= random booty call in a helicopter
You suck at video games, apparently. Looks like you are the fanboy and are angry that Konami only made the game for the dominant system… the PS3… get a life loser!
@KMD so, that’s all you have to say? You think MGS4 is one of the worst games you have ever played just because of a few AI problems, some reactions from characters and plot that you didn’t expect or didn’t want to happen? Dude, I’ve heard so many people bitching so much about this game, that it’s unbelievable. Despite they’re being right sometimes, everything the haters complain about are minor problems and can be VERY easily ignored, hence why they are whiny little bitches.
You complain about some of the characters’ reactions and plotlines right? First off, is merely an opinion, second, while you complain about it, in other games is not even worth the discussion, because there aren’t any other games that have a complex and deep storyline like MGS4 does.
This game is not perfect, I never said it was, but the previous titles weren’t perfect either, and I don’t even think that MGS4 has the best plotline in the series, but it’s probably the best this generation yet.
There’s really not that much to debate, it won’t do any good to discuss each other’s opinions.
By the way, I just want to let you know that the games you just have discribed are nothing compared to MGS4, simply because it’s different genres.
Gears of War (and Freedom of Fighters, I suppose) doesn’t have a story (complex, deep, emotional and philosophical like MGS4), and it’s “Run and shoot the motherfucker”. Like I said, MGS4 is a Stealth game where you have to be patient and think of a way without getting seen, it’s not some mindless TPS where you just blow stuff up for no apparent reason, there are consequences and the game becomes much harder if you decide to just run and shoot like there was no tomorrow.
Dark Sector? Lol, you mean the Resident Evil 4 CLONE! I don’t have anything more to say.
@Saywhat? Well, I could go on about how they may as well have crossed out the words “tactical espionage” out of the tagline but I digress, it is one of the worst titles I’ve ever played; equal onto Assassin’s Creed for sheer disappointment and bloated hype.
That’s just me I guess.
you are a fucking loser….go upstairs and fuck your mom you nerd piece of shit!
I was comparing MGS 4 to games where you are actually playing and controlling the character, not watching cutscenes with a dreadful sense of ennui, wishing you were the one making the action happen.
You don’t need to be stealthy if you have a tran
Want a good comparison? Compare games from the same genre:
MGS vs. Splinter Cell
Splinter Cell doesn’t have as many cutsenes, but if you say that SC is better then you suck man. You make things look simple, if a game has so many cutscenes no matter how good the gameplay is, it automatically falls under every existing game. That’s not how things work. MGS4 is story driven, and seriously, if you don’t like it, then there’s shallow and uninspired bosses that you can kill in almost any other game.
“You don’t need to be stealthy if you have a tran”
Again, you make it look too simple. In Extreme difficulty you can’t buy tranq ammo, or you can choose by not to use it. Now that is simple.
MGS4 is boring, has a bad story which fell out of my ass after I ate a mexican (literally), and poorly programed. How many freaking times does it need to load? The devs on this game never heard of streaming stuff in or loading during the overly long cutscenes. Here is how the game plays: install, loading, cutscene, loading, play, loading, cutscene, loading, cutscene, loading, play, loading…. well you get it. With a 6GB install it’s ridiculous. The gameplay was mediocore and the story was just awful (fighting with a sword in your teeth…WTF). I love the excuses like you haven’t played the others so you don’t get it, but I can give someone HL2 and they don’t have to play the first one to love it. Or it is story driven, what does that mean? Does it mean that it is an interactive movie? If it is then it is worse than Urban Legend:Final Cut, which is my most hated movie of all time. I have played story driven games where characters make choices which effect the outcome of the game, like bioshock. The problem with MGS4 is that the story drives nothing in the game. It is just like japanime and role playing games, full of useless dialogue which could have been cut out or drastically downsized to allow for more and better gameplay. You can’t post stuff like this and not expect to be attacked b/c just as people blindly follow so many other things they believe the majority who say the game is good, and somehow end up with the same brainwashed opinion. Ladies and gentlemen I present to you Johnny Storm, flame on.
all you people are giving this moron a reason to live, let him go
THE PAIN!!!!THE PAIN!!!!!!!!!THE PAIN!!!!!!!!!
you sure do know a lot of this game for hating it you dumb piece of shit….let me guess your favorite game is spyro the dragon?! go upstairs and fuck your dad you loser…if mgs4 is a shitty game than guitar hero van halen is the greatest game ever….
Just bought. Played it. Can’t agree more. The cutscenes were horrible. You guys need to stop pretending that horrible is good. Did you watch the epilogue with Raiden and his family? Holy Shit! Did an 8 year old write the script? Gameplay was ok, controls sucked, especially once they found you and gunplay was required.
you may disagree with the OP all you want, but hideo; for all his smart arsed buffoonery has never heard of the words “understatement” and “cohesion”
f$&@ing twat.
Hahahaha! It’s like you’re bashing apples and promoting oranges, almost everything you say comes down to opinion! Bashing MGS4 because it’s based in Anime? Are you that retarded? The story is awful you say? Well it just might be awful, but at least there’s a story to criticize, isn’t there?
@snuffalofagus
“I love the excuses like you haven’t played the others so you don’t get it, but I can give someone HL2 and they don’t have to play the first one to love it.”
That’s probably one of teh most ignorant comments I’ve ever heard, and that’s saying a lot! It’s not an excuse, “snuffyboy” if you never played the previous MGS you don’t know what’s going on in the story, it’s simple as that.
“You can’t post stuff like this and not expect to be attacked b/c just as people blindly follow so many other things they believe the majority who say the game is good, and somehow end up with the same brainwashed opinion.”
Attacked? Uhhhooooo, so frightened! Do you think someone gives a fuck? And blindly follow? Really? I’m sure you have the statistics on you’re side, and have talked to a lot of people who dig this game, but I wonder if you’ve actually ever played any MGS to have a clue of what you’re talking about.
“Here is how the game plays: install, loading, cutscene, loading, play, loading, cutscene, loading, cutscene, loading, play, loading”
Are you done crying?
“Ladies and gentlemen I present to you Johnny Storm, flame on.”
You’re the one who’s flaming, dipshit.
LOZL youse guyz ares supidsd.
youse are allz ion teh flaaames…
lmaaoooo!
MGS4 is good the same way gang rape is good; like you; you’re a rapist, for the rapist participating, it is really good but for the victim you just have to shut up and swallow what they give you to swallow.Since you are a big fan of “alternative” entertainment, which features quite a lot of mind rape.
To be honest it may be plausible that in fact many people here are shallow and as such cannot understand the intricate plot, or what Hideo Kojima was trying to say; it is possible that unlike the other MGS titles where he tried to apply current events in his games with a surreal twist reminicent of anime or manga that MGS4 is far beyond the common intellect, as such i would like to recommend that you watch a film called Scanners for it’s deep thought provoking and intellectual plot twist have been lost on many. It would simply be a dire shame to see such a masterpiece be wasted on our simple shallow minds; that being said, maybe, just maybe MGS4 is out of reach for the small minority because many people look, listen and view the plot as nothing more than a frantic mess, similar to a parnoid schizophrenic spreading faeces on his wall, and sobbing at the beauty of it all.
That’s just my opinion as a bombs disposal expert.
I agree with Stillman; i enjoy MGS as a series but MGS4 was like a small handicapped child that just doesn’t stand much of a chance against ridicule; i mean it’s not like it the case of a mother on thalidomide, if that was the case then we would ease up on pointing and shouting at the blatant deformaties….we would even forgive that 3rd arm.
Because Major Zero had it coming…
@SayWhat?
Glad to see you’re here to defend this precious pile of shit called MGS4.
“That’s probably one of teh most ignorant comments I’ve ever heard, and that’s saying a lot! It’s not an excuse, “snuffyboy” if you never played the previous MGS you don’t know what’s going on in the story, it’s simple as that.”
About the story, you don’t need to play the previous games just watch the retrospectives on gametrailers. Even without those the sheer amount of crap in the cutscenes shows you more than enough to understand what is happening. I’m sure the majority of the world would be just as bored and disappointed with the story in this “story based game” as I was.
“Attacked? Uhhhooooo, so frightened! Do you think someone gives a fuck? And blindly follow? Really? I’m sure you have the statistics on you’re side, and have talked to a lot of people who dig this game, but I wonder if you’ve actually ever played any MGS to have a clue of what you’re talking about.”
I played the first MGS when I was much younger and enjoyed it, but after finishing MGS4 I can’t say the same thing about it.
“Are you done crying?”
I’m sorry I didn’t realize that stating facts constituted crying. If that is the case then saying, “the sky is blue” would be crying. Poor programing is all I was pointing out, but God knows Hideo Kojima could never do anything wrong.
“You’re the one who’s flaming, dipshit.”
Try to grow up and be a little more polite when addressing actual people. As for the flaming we are all part of that just by posting our opinions which are so strongly opposed. What I said before was just to point out what was happening and would continue to happen here.
@snuffalofagus
“this precious pile of shit called MGS4.”
Yeah, I’m sure it is just because you and few others say so. People who love MGS4 should just ignore THEIR OWN OPINION and the dozens of lengthy reviews of respectful game critic sites (e.g. IGN) then listen to a guy who didn’t even played all the MGS titles and writes a dozen of lines basically stating that MGS4 is nothing but a pile of s***.
“I’d like to state here that the story was crap and there were a lot of loading times (exaggerates to emphasize his post), RATING: A pile of shit.”
Nice going, dude! But anyway, I think it’s more rational to “blindly follow” the critics and the millions of gamers, don’t you think so?
It’s amazing that people who defended MGS4 have used enumerous solid arguments, and they were being somewhat fair for the guy who wrote this article. But when haters started to post… wow!
They state opionions like if they were posting actual facts, like íf there was no possible argument even from the most qualified critic or hardcore gamer.
The only ACTUAL FACTS you can see here is: Lots of cutscenes – which can be enjoyed or SKIPPED – and loading times – which is a bit annoying, but doesn’t affect the gameplay -, nothing more. If I wanted, I’d bash this game too, there are way more problems than this, but I just tend to like the game, instead of bitching about every minor problem.
Also, are you comparing watching retrospectives of gametrailers and ACTUALLY playing through the games? Riiight, no comments. Oh, no wait, I think this is the part where you say: “MGS wasn’t never about playing, it was always about watching cutscenes the whole time”.
I tell you this, posting opinions is one thing, but when you talk crap all the time and say something that any other brainless hater would’ve say is another. Just save your breath man, seriously.
SayWhat? maybe you didn’t know this but most of the reviewers who rated this game so highly were fans of the series, so they gave biased reviews. As for the rest of your post…it’s incoherent crap and you exemplify the pitiful mgs fanboy which I have come to expect, get a life. I know you need to have the last word, so I won’t be posting again to see you ramble off more pointless crap b/c you have nothing better to do other than defend this game with all of your “facts” and “solid arguments.” Maybe if the reviewers were allowed to point out the crazy amount of loading times and poor gameplay/cutscene ratio the scores would have been more on par with the actual game.
Why MGS4 is the best game ever:
Place list of fanboy crap here
List of “fanboy crap” starting:
Am I a fanboy? No. Do I have a life? Yes. Do I need to have the last word? Hell yes! Maybe I take this kind of things too serious, but no one’s perfect either.
Aside from your desperate ways of trying to insult me, I don’t see any more “interesting” stuff to talk about, maybe it’s simply because MGS4 is such a great game and no one can say other wise.
“Why MGS4 is the best game ever”
Actually, no. I don’t even think it’s one of the best games ever made.
Ownage is a bitch, isn’t it?
List of “fanboy crap” ended.
“I’d like to state here that the story was crap and there were a lot of loading times (exaggerates to emphasize his post), RATING: A pile of shit.”
I thought so too. I did not get enough minutes.
The fact that this game got so much great reviews and high review scores from sites like IGN or Gamespot etc proves that it’s “NOT” a shit game and that ur just a little noob critic. Don’t complain about something that u don’t have a full understanding of. U think the story sucks, it doesn’t, MSG series have one of the best storylines/plot compare to other games. The reason y u don’t know jackshit is coz u probably haven’t played the previous series.
It’s like reading a novel series and u jump straight to the last, then of course u won’t understand wtf happened in between, u dumbfuck.
Why should it be necessary to play all the previous games to have an idea of what’s going on MGS 4? Why the fuck should the reviewer waste his time playing the previous games when he’s talking about the latest incarnation? It may be unbelievable to you, but some people haven’t played MGS, and shouldn’t need to play the previous games to “enjoy” Shitey Sandwich. The plot is shite and long winded. Really, it is.
And just because Gamespot (who fired Jeff Gerstmann for doing his job) and IGN (who are swayed by advertising publishers. ^_^) gave MGS 4 high scores doesn’t make it necessarly true. I D I O T H
Hideo can suck me off.
It’s a shame you can’t recognise my greatness, and I’m sure if you give Metal Gear Meryl a chance, you’ll be very surprised at how coherent the plot is.
Nina Williams:
The critics aren’t exactly criticising the the story, and MGS4 is a great game not only because of its epicness and excellent gameplay, but also because it doesn’t depend only on Online modes to be successful. Why do you think there are so many gamers that think Halo is good? Because of its campaign mode? Absolutely not.
Here’s a link (if you care) to most of MGS4 reviews. It wasn’t only IGN and Gamespot that rated this game a 10, and the lowest ratings are 80%.
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/metalgearsolid4gunsofthepatriots?q=metal%20gear%20solid%204
“Hideo can suck me off.”
He couldn’t, because you apparently lack a penis.
Using nanomachine technology, and new age hokum, anything is possible.
Don’t you know who I AM!? Saywhat, you smell of lavender.
I like the MGS series.
Oh there are flaws, there are inconsistencies, there are times I think the story doesn’t fit right, but, I like the game, I enjoyed playing it, I was very satisfied after finished the MGS games. Can’t say the same about quite a lot of first person shooters, and for some of the first person shooters, I stopped playing all together half way.
Even after I finished them, I replayed the MGS games and tried new ways and alternate ways to achieve the goals, many, many times. Can’t say the same about quite a lot of other first person shooters, and some of them I just endured to see the ending, then stow them away.
I love Anime. I grew up watching them. And I still watch them. I like the anime style of Japanese made games, such as the MGS series. I enjoy story/plot driven games, just as much as I enjoy non-plot/open games. I enjoy listening to the characters interact with each other when I’m in the mood, and other times I like to shoot everything I see when I’m in the mood.
I’m an executive of an MNC and I earn a moderate salary. I live in a moderate house, with a lovely wife and 2 kids (which I hope won’t grow up writing long winded articles criticising a game that out sold many first person shooters and has a franchise that lasted since the 80s) and I make daily decisions which affects people’s life and jobs.
So, thank you very much for letting us know your opinion on MGS. I am sure someone, somewhere in the world will make good use of the information. However, I’m sorry, but I must say I have a different opinion from you, and I’m afraid I do not find your input on the MGS series useful nor does it affects my daily decisions.
Please sell your MGS4 on eBay or other similar places, but I’m affraid you won’t get back all your money and unfortunately, that is how the world works. You invested in the wrong game, and too bad. I hope you will continue to enjoy playing many of the games you like in the future without idiots telling you how lousy the games are, just as I hope I will be able to enjoy playing all the games I like in the future without idiots telling me how lousy the games are. But keep your day job, criticising games just isn’t you, and cleary no one is rushing to pay you to criticise games on IGN and other game sites.
Please do not insult your own intelligence by throwing back swear words at me, or calling me names. I’m sure you can do much better, and think of it as practicing how to criticise things properly.
Why are you criticising someone who dislikes the game? All his points are valid because the game is shit.
I totally agree with the OP, other than the graphics, the game really blew da kaka. As for the game trying to take itself way to serious
What was up with all the “fanservice” half naked voluptuous cg women bosses that served no damn purpose other than to make your pimple face gamer (or in the east your bowlcutfaced kid) bust a load on his six axis, clogging up the buttons. Perverted easterners probably take the EYETOY for ps3 and try to get upskirt shots to set as their XMB backgrounds.
@ TheAssquaker
You are correct, my apologies. I have forgotten that anyone has the freedom to criticise a game which he/she dislikes, and while he/she is at it he/she can criticise or insult gamers who likes the game. As such, by exercising my freedom of speech to defend a game which many people like, and criticise the critic who dislike the game as I have done, I have violated the critic’s freedom of speech. I should not have criticised the critic nor the gamers who dislike the MGS series, and just stick to defending the MGS series, and criticise the games which I dislike. Never the person/people. I will keep that in mind. Thank you for your enlightening input. If only everyone in the world is as understanding and clear-minded as you are.
@ relic
You are correct, some people do pay $60 (and buy the PS3) so that they can sweat over the game and get to a point were they can pause and stare at a fuzzy voluptuous female boss and blow their load, instead of getting a decent porn from an adult store, or just go on the net and google for porn flicks. But then again, there are those who sweat over the early levels of the game until they get their hands on the biggest, meanest gun, and then blow their loads just by watching the BFG 9000 blow enemies into bits on the screen. Or, go out all the way to get the longest, biggest sniper rifle and hide in a dark corner, then start sniping enemies and watch their brains fly out while the gamer tremble with orgasmic ecstasy. Also, there are those who blow their load by detonating a grenade in the middle of a group of approaching enemies, while screaming “OH YES! OH YES! OHHHH YEESSS!!!” Are you one of them? I’m sure you at least know a few fellows who are like that.
Well, I think you are right, because I do know some easterners (as you put it, and I sincerely thank you for not using an insulting word) who drool over voluptuous female characters in games or anime. But unless I’ve mistaken, I think the voluptuous females originated from western comics, where very, very well endowed heroines / villainess dressed in skimpy outfits or ridiculously tight outfits. Does anyone seriously believe people buy those comics for the story line? At least eastern games doesn’t have heroes/villains wearing their underwear outside/wearing their long john only and show off their bulging manhood while flying/swinging around.
Seriously, you should register that idea before someone else comes up with a perverted idea like that. Sony will probably pay you a lot of money so that you won’t license that idea to others?
Wow! finding this site is such a breath of fresh air after all the fkn hype surrounding this game. i cant BELIEVE it got a perfect 10 ANYWHERE… outside of japan at least. this game is a total shyte waste of time. I had to stop playing after raiden was breakdancing and swinging those huge walking tanks around by his legs. come on! they had him COMPLETELY immobilized not 30 seconds earlier and now we are shown that he has a strength that defies all laws of physics (he was completely immobilized by them! why didnt he just pick one up and throw it over the horizon?)
I loved all the MGS games up until now but this one is a stupid waste of my time. perfect 10′s my ass.
@Ryan Payton
That’s why I said that, genius!
@relic
You make a very good point, the real reason why so many people have bought MGS4 was because of the “half naked cg women”. But then, I’m sure you prefer the musculated guys from Gears of War. Fucktard.
@Slacker
You clearly haven’t noticed all the games in the series are inspired by anime. REX in MGS1 defies the laws of physics, it’s not possible to make a giant robot and make it stand on two legs.
Those were pretty solid and smart arguments uhm, sorry, I meant retarded…
The above comment is mine, I forgot to put the username, silly me.
Big Boss coming back from the dead, despite being utterly incinerated in Metal Gear 2 is by far, the most retarded plot twist to ever appear on any medium. And I should know…
Nerds, folks who are socially awkward, love anime. Because Japs are so repressively stoic strong emotion is expressed like the crude jerks of someone who doesn’t know how to dance. I like some anime and manga but recognize as a lie the common claim these characters/stories are deeper or more fleshed out than typical western fare. These characters are caricatures of common human expressions that’re loved b/c partakers are in states of euphoria or shy/geeky themselves.
Oh yeah, Metal Gear. The first one seemed cool when an enemy noticed my foot-steps but pissed me off because I had to sneak up on guys w/guns. Every section of the story revealed to me is bad. Even when fans lay it out, doing it justice, it sounds stupid. Folks who prefer JRPGs, the metal gear sereis, etc. are lesser gamers. They prefer reading or watching a movie to playing. A man must also be cowardly to prefer being forced to do something (linearity) as opposed to given options (Far Cry 2, Fallout 3, Planescape: Torment, Deus Ex).
I get the feeling you’ve never been laid before.
I totally agree with Slacker. But I understand the hype around the game because the game itself supports the gay community. This is evidenced by the main character having a gay mustache. MGS is actually an acronym for Mustache Gay Sergeant.
The reason why I keep posting here is because I love to see how ignorant (or funny, idk for sure) people can be, anyone who has a brain understand why I’m saying this.
Anyway, the last 2 posts in particular are very humouristic comments, the name of this site says it all.
Still, I haven’t seen a good reason why hardcore gamers should dislike MGS4…
MGS4 is teh best game ever made. And nobody can give any good reason why it isnt. No matter how hard they try, it just isnt possible.
Humouristic isn’t a word. Now who is the retard? Maybe you’re right though and MGS 4 is gooderer then most games.
@KMD
“Humoristic” IS a word (I just made a mistake in a letter), look it up.
Nah, don’t even bother, because I already pwned you. Also, my main language is not English ;)
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Humoristic
Lol! It’s not in the Queen’s English! There is a “u” in humour as there is a “u” in colour.
The Cambridge dictonaries online didn’t recognise it as a word either. Guess it’s an Americanism I’ve never heard of.
Humourous would’ve been fine in that sentence but then again, I’m not your English teacher. O_o’
well no mgs is the best game ever your just a fagg who just doesent no game mgs is the best game ever and or ways will be faggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg p.s FAGG
Just like the people who say Half -Life sucks because they dont understand the story …not smart enough to pass the physics excersices in it .
Every game has its own fans and MGS is one of the best series ever made in games history .
You can hate it but you cant deny that as I wont deny that Gears of War is a huge great series but I dont like it because I dont like its system ,story and charcters .
I wont ever say GoW sucks or something like that …No it has its own dying fans .
A bad game is the game that has no fanbase ,doesnt sell well and forgotten .
MGS 4 isnt perfect becaue if you said that this product is perfect that means that every one is gonna enjoy it no one will hate it ..
No game is perfect thats given still some games try their best to be perfect .
And among them is MGS series .
I just finished playing Mgs4 and I have to say it was pretty epic. Even though I have never played any other Metal games the only part of the story i didn’t understand were the parts where the characters were talking about things that happened in the previous games. There are many loading screens but they aren’t very long. Boss Battles were awesome because they were all different. There are some parts of the game where the gameplay becomes annoying and fun at the same time – SPOILER- Near the end of the last act cutscene where snake fights liquid in CQC. It was pretty fun because it was a change to the gameplay. It was annoying because it takes pretty long time to beat liquid and if you lose you have to endure trying to beat him again because the fighing is only interesting halfway through the fight. Some scenes are very humourous such as when psycho mantis appears and shows off his “powers”. There are also some parts where the game will advertise the power of the PS3′s bluray technology. Overall I thought the game was awsome. There are problems, but are minor that are easy to ignore. This is my OPINION.
This is just like Ricky said, an epic game. If you bought it and don’t like it, then it shows that you have never played any of the other MGS’s. Otherwise you would have expected all of this. Halo doesn’t compare to it because it is completely different kind of game. MGS is story and stealth driven, Halo is blow everything up driven. If you actually take the time in MGS4 to play into the stealth, and sneak everywhere, it will take 5 hours just in gameplay not including CG. If you just run and blow shit up, which is not what was intended, but is given as an option, then it will be like an hour! MGS series has the deepest storyline I have ever seen in a game. I goes way way way back, and very very deep. That is why it takes so long to tell. You are obviously an impatient child, who goes for cheap thrills as opposed to solid storytelling.
I actually disliked this MGS. I played ALL the MG games before and actually expected this one to be incredible.
While it was pretty epic. So many loadings/installing, FMVs galore and watered down difficulty made one of the dullest games of this generation. Hell, it even lacked the bunch of codecs that made codec-calling so fun on the past 3 games (and now is gone). Just like all the things on this generation, MGS is another overrated game for our weak market.
Wow, have you even played the past MGS games?
I have a reason why MGS4 is not the best game ever. Super Metroid
I don’t agree that mgs4 is the worst game ever, but I would agree that is highly overrated. Just hear me out.
First of, I love Halo. Sorry, just had to throw that in there. I understand why some people don’t like it, but for me, it is just a straight up fun shooter, and something I can always go back to and not get bored. I’m not obsessed with online play, especially because 10 year-olds who devote 50+ hours a week to it, will always own me, even in their sleep, haha.
But anyway, I obviously have the 360, which is a huge disappointment compared to the original xbox. So, I got a PS3 recently, and I borrowed mgs4 from a friend, and was really excited to play the “goty”. I thought I was going to get myself hooked into a stealthy, strategical game. No, I have not played any other mgs or mg. It’s only in my old age that I’ve become addicted to video games. But I did start mgs4 with high expectations. It was fun, but I soon realized that I wasn’t even doing anything that “stealthy”. Like other people have said, I could just run and gun. Unfortunately, the game just did not make a good shooter. It seemed clunky and slow to me. But I really wanted to thoroughly enjoy the game, so I tried stealth, but that was also disappointing. It seemed like you just hump the ground for 10 minutes until you find your destination. I was hoping I could find different ways to manipulate npc’s or my surroundings, but it just didn’t happen.
Then, yes, there are the cutscenes. I definitely agree these were too long and drawn out. A lot of it is just talking, a lot of pictures. It reminded me of a bad soap opera, with no commercials. I had to start skipping some because, hey, I DO have work in the morning and I’d like to play some of the game before I fall asleep! Unfortunately, I can’t skip that much because then I get lost. I wish they could have incorporated more story into gameplay. IMO, that is what a game should be. Also, I have heard people say that it’s half movie/half game. That sounds really generous to me. The game seems about 75% movie. And you can argue that we can just skip the movies… OK, we’re left with a really short game, and that’s fine, but I’d consider that a decent game, not the best game of the year. However, even if you skip the movies, gameplay is still interrupted constantly. Sometimes I would start a level, and less than a minute later, it would have to load another part of the map. I’d just start to have fun playing, when we need to load either a cutscene, or another part of the map, or a call… I thought it was funny when they joked about “disc 2″. I even felt a little pride, like “yeah! I have a PS3!” But then you think about it, and why, with 50gb capacity, must the game so constantly be halted to load or install? It’s intrusive and gets in the way of what could have been a lot of fun!
Add in a lot of jiggly boobs and cheesy lines, and that pretty much sums up my experience. I don’t think it’s a horrible game. It is just not a great game IMO. I’d give it maybe a 6/10, something fun to rent, not to buy.
I have been a huge fan of MGS for a very long time. I really like snake eater. I liked the story, the graphics (considering its ps2) and the game play. A lot.
I just beat MGS4. I’ve had it for months and refused to play it until I got an HD TV. That’s how into MGS I am. I wanted to play this game right in HD.
I just beat the game and to be very honest this game is…”meh”. It’s really hard to give this game a single rating because it really is an interactive movie.
In terms of story and graphics I loved it. It was nice to tie up some back story and they did have some really epic plot twists….but they had a lot of really stupid crap to. A LOT.
The game play in this game was not nearly as intriguing or fun as the other 3 games. Although, as usual I really enjoyed the boss battles.
I dunno maybe my expectations were to high going in I dunno. This game didn’t suck by any means, but it really did have some ridiculous moments.
****SPOILER****
I’m sorry but Raiden stopping a fucken HUGE assault tanker with his back…on a dock…COME ON. I mean yeah MGS4 has a bunch of ridiculous stuff like nano machines and electric people blah blah…fine…but for some reason that was a bit much for me lol
as a fan I’d give this game a 8/10. i think 9′s and 10′s are pretty ridiculous. and depending on your level of acceptance of the things others have mentioned above, I can see why people rated it lower.
Hey, I just finished this crapgame.. if you can still call it a game. I felt so backstabbed by hideous Kojima that I found this page by typing mgs 4 sucks on google. The OP translated my own feeligns correctly and eloquently, DjC4 and the others are also spot on regarding the pathetic storyline and japanese storytelling in general.
Japanese are quite terrible storytellers with usually completely flat caracters and always the same themes over and over again. Most examples I’ve seen ofJapanese culture would make holywood seem intellectual and artistically rich. Indeed, the nerds that come with the ‘it’s too complex for you’ never read a real book or saw an actual film with depth.
Now before the ps3/mgsboyz will cry foul. I AM.. or was, a huge MGS fan. I waited for my HD tv too for 5 months before ”enjoying” mgs 4. MGS 1 is still one of the best gaming experiences I had in it’s time, MGS 2 was also pretty good, even with the longer cutscenes, and mgs 3, besides it’s horrible cutscenes and terrible story, had some pretty nice things in it gameplay wise.
HOWEVER! MGS 4 is utter shite! The series have been consistently worse starting MGS 1. 1 was already heavy on the jap-storyline, but hey, it was on ps1, and there was a LOT of actual gaming to do. MGS 2 had less, mgs 3 had even longer cutscenes, but at least there was gaming. And in 4… omg sometimes I walked 10 minutes in a total of 4 hours of ‘game time’. WHAT THE FUCK!!!!???
I hate this game, whine about it to people who know about it and just scrap it from my memories with the previous games. What a terrible load of crap. I never had to save IN a cutscene, nor did I start playing games on my pc whilst simultaneously ‘playing’ a game on my playstation.
Anyway, next time I’ll try to play it on uberhard and just skip all the cutscenes. There is nothing to be missed anyway.
The only good thing about this pretentious piece of japcrap is the graphics and the intro soundtrack.
This game is easily the most pretentious game ever made. Obviously closely followed by the completely empty headed, hollow and made-for-retards Final Fantasy series.. and all the jrpg diarreah that follows that.
I sure as hell won’t buy MGS 5. The critics can’t be trusted, for they are all nerds and do not share my having of actual taste, therefore they won’t be able to inform me.
Oh, and the jrpg lovers out there will need to try a REAL rpg for once, like planescape torment or fallout, stfu and get their asses handed tot hem since those games require actual thought.
MGS4 was a disappoinment. Like the two previous posts said, its only like by uber nerds who think Jap animation is the best thing since Jap animation. I did understand the whole plot it was just got a bit ridiculous, Big Boss still alive!? Come on!! And it seems they try to explain everything too much. Be concise Hideo and just say one sentence, don’t give me a thesis on why ketchup is red and not blue.
You want a game where you can some awesome action and a lot of ass kicking, go for Ninja Gaiden or Uncharted.
This game was really shitty, and I agree with just about everything the writer says. The story is fucking gay, over sentimental, too complex, has stupid annoying as fuck characters, and an ass load of cutscenes. People actually have the audacity to ask me how I can have an opinion on it if I don’t play (in this case sit) through entire game, to which I respond go fuck yourself, because I want to play a fucking video game, not watch a movie. Times like this I thank god that games like Half-life 1 were created, one of the first games in 3-d I actually liked… It’s basic FPS, tells a very good but basic story. Want to know the beauty of it? NO CUTSCENES. That’s right people, Valve managed to tell a decent story without the use of hour long cutscenes. Whatever happened to games that didn’t require hours of loading, and install time, complex hard to understand story lines, soap opera dialogues, and annoying characters to be fun?
While I respect your opinion, I do not respect you and others calling our opinions wrong. I played through Metal Gear Solid 4. Yes there were a lot of cutscenes. But I enjoyed every minute of it. That’s just how I am. I love story and characters. And the gameplay was good, and the controls aren’t bad at all (albeit a bit confusing at first) and the game blew me away. And like I say to all people who bash things: Just because you don’t like it, it doesn’t mean it’s bad.
Also, for the people who complain the cutscenes are too long, you do actually realize you can skip them, correct? And another thing, if sneaking around quietly isn’t your thing, then go play Gears Of War. Clearly this game isn’t for you.
IMO, I’d have to give Metal Gear Solid 4 a 9/10. And before you say, “OMFG UR A MGS FANBOY,” MGS4 was the first MGS game I played. I played the first bit, then went and bought the others. It’s not a terrible game. You just don’t like it.
One reason people stereotype is that it is too difficult to take in all of the complexities of other people. (ie, they don’t have the brain processing power to understand the beauty of the complexity of the world so everything they can’t understand must be gay/fag)
Once one has sorted and organized everyone into tidy categories, there is every incentive to avoid processing new or unexpected information about each individual. Assigning general group characteristics to members of that group saves time and satisfies the need to predict the social world.
(ie, they don’t have the brain processing power to realise they lack the brain power to understand the world, and they are happy in their little universe)
People also tend to stereotype because of the need to feel good about oneself. Stereotypes protect one from anxiety and enhance self-esteem. By designating one’s own group as the standard or normal group and assigning others to groups considered inferior or abnormal, it provides one with a sense of worth. (ie, they lack the self-esteem to convince themselves that they are worthy and normal so they NEED to convince themselves the others are inferior to them and abnormal. since they can’t prove themselves different and worthy from other game players, they NEED to label others as fags/gay so it satisfies their ego)
Sociologist Charles E. Hurst of the College of Wooster states that, “One reason for stereotypes is the lack of personal, concrete familiarity that individuals have with persons in other racial or ethnic groups.” (ie, they lack the brain power to process the difference between people, and lack the guts to leave familiar territory to explore the world, so they divide the world into 2 groups only – fags and non-fags)
Stereotypes focus upon and thereby exaggerate differences between groups. Competition between groups minimizes similarities and magnifies differences. This makes it seem as if groups are very different when in fact they may be more alike than different. (ie, they have a profound need to demonstrate to the world that they are slightly different from their fellow peer gamers, so they need to keep telling people they are computer/console game players who are not fags and only plays FPS which are well received by the gaming world and all the rest are computer/console game players who are fags and only plays FPS which are well received by the gaming world.)(No, I didn’t type this sentence wrongly, they are the one who are trying to explain to the world that they are different)
@ Teh Gamer
(is this a typo and you really wanted to type The Gamer?)
Cut scenes are nothing but mere tools of expression.
You can kill a soldier with a knife, a pistol, a shot gun, an assault riffle, a rocket launcher or a grenade. If you like, you can kill him with you bare hands (if the game creators are were willing to invest their time to allow it in the game). A weapon is just a tool. You can use it or choose not to use it.
So MSG uses cut scenes, and half life doesn’t. Some people like cut scenes, you and other don’t like it, me and others like both types. Some like to see the game from a 3rd person’s perspective as if watching a movie, you and others like to look at things only from the point of the player, me and others like both methods and enjoy the ways both the creators of MSG and half life choose to express themselves.
Now that you have grown up a little and discovered that you don’t like cut scenes, and like how the way half life tells the story, next time ask and check out the internet before you buy any new games, since this seems to be decisive factor for you in choosing the games you like.
Now be a good boy and run along, and go discover something else in life.
@ Florian
If critics can’t be trusted with their reviews and comments, then I suppose as an armchair critic, what ever you have commented isn’t worth much either?
Since when has any serious gamers buy games based on other people’s opinions? Don’t tell me you buy what other people say is good without finding out yourself?
I loved this Article. It shows that MGS4 isn’t the second coming of the Messiah.
Basically MGS Fanboys are not even threat, they are just annoy flies you need to swat at to get rid of them. Of course they come back eventually.
Reading the Japanese reviews of MGS4, also shows that there are Japanese Gamers who didn’t take to MGS4 either. In fact, they complain about the cut-scenes and story plot just like the Americans. Funny as heck, totally recommend reading some.
I have noticed something quite common when it comes to people who review MGS overall. It’s the weak insult MGS Fanboys use all the time, to belittle others who don’t like what they like, and to protect their Precious.
THE LIST every MGS Fanboy must memorized.
1) “OMG, you’re just not intelligent enough to play this game”
2) “You MUST play the previous games in order to understand the MGS series!!”
3) “Oh, you do know you CAN skip the cut-scenes right?”
4) “This must be your first time playing MGS”
5) “Hideo Kojima is God”
6) “Go play (insert game they loath here) and be a fag”
7) “If you were a REAL FAN, you would know that Metal Gear Solid has ALWAYS been like this”
We get it, you LOVE Metal Gear Solid regardless of how flawed and ridiculous it has gotten. We know you are blinded by it’s shininess.
Another thing I have notice, is when people review MGS4, they also point out their liking for previous installments, yet that doesn’t seem to be enough for the MGS Fanboys, every review about Metal Gear Solid must be Perfect. Or you face their wrath of whiny text replies.
I do indeed find the Solid 10 reviews for MGS4 to be very openly bias and just typical Kojima masochist showing their pride and having no shame in doing so. The guy could fart in their faces and they would proclaim that it is the sweetest smelling flatulence they have ever had the privilege of engulfing into the pockets of their lungs.
If Kojima wants to make movies, then he should do that, because apparently he forgot what the two combination words of Video+Game means.
It seems like most of you have a problem more with fanboys than you do with the game.
The controls were well done, the cut scenes were well done, the music was well done. The story is simply unique in it’s own, what the hell can you criticize about it? it’s the story the creator made up so it’s not going to be exclusively perfect to every person, what story is?
I can agree with comparing gameplay aspects, yet they were VERY well done. Perhaps you should step back and ask yourself whether you hate the game or the people who like it.
your all fagots mgs is the best game and games ever kojima rules!!!!!
Man, this reminds me of the FF7 vs. FF8 battles. but i have to say after reading some comments, there many unintelligant people on this page. for those that say JRPGS, and MGS are not “teh hardcorez” or make people a lesser gamer a mistaken. it makes us more a gamer do to the fact that we devote time, and thought into our gaming experiance. the final fantasy series is “hardcore” gaming series, it been around for years and has a HUGE fanbase. just becasue some people dont like blowing random things up does not make them cowards or not true gamers. it just means that they like a differant experiance. I love
Halo and half-life, but my favorite game of all time would have to be Golden Sun for the GBA. it capitvated me..something that has not really happened to me since, i mean i did play halo 3 for hours on end, and i didn’t take MGS4 out of my ps3 for a month, but neither game took me to such a world, such a wonderful experiance as Golden sun.
and hideo kojima is awsome for making Boktai.
@ Val
omg ur comment is so gay my gaydar bleeps at my screen. You try to put yourself above it by copypasting some random crap about bias, yet obviously YOUR opinion is right? Come fucking ON! The reason I read reviews is because games are fucking expensive. I dont like MGS 4 and dont gimme that crap about it being too complex for me. It’s a very basic and pretentious game. If you wanna be so hardass, go read some books but dont come crying to me about games being too difficult for me. Go play CIV 4 or something, at least you will have some minor case trying to portray your false sense of superiority. It’s exactly nerds like you that motivated me to write up my first rant in the first place. You suckers make me sick.
Personally, MGS4 wasent the best it could of been, i liked MGS3 for the ps2 much much better, but what this game needed to accomplish it did, it summed up the whole story and made all the fans happy, with its climax. i dident think it was over rated at all, i never saw one commercial for it up until 4 months after its release, if anything’s over rated its halo 3, halo 3 is just another generic FPS with aliens. so all in all, we should all band together and recognize the true enemy is halo
I loved MGS4, and this was my first time playing any MGS series. i agree that Halo 3is more overrated than MGS4. Halo 3 sucks. Why did u continue playing it, when u thought it sucked?
@ Jesse James Hollywood
“If Kojima wants to make movies, then he should do that, because apparently he forgot what the two combination words of Video+Game means.”
You do realize that the word “video” is in “video game” too, right? I see what you’re trying to say, but honestly, what was the point of that sentence? Regardless of what you think, he didn’t, in fact, “forget”. I’ll get to why later. And why bash Kojima just because you hate the fanboys and don’t like the game? Get over it, dude. And I’m only picking on you because I happened to see that little line from you and it inspired me to make the following rant.
@ the rest of you
Kojima will make and should make games however he wants. There is more to expressing yourself artistically, literally, and figuratively than limiting yourself to a single medium. Whatever your opinion is on Kojima’s MGS series, you can at least respect him for trying something different and creating a unique method of storytelling separate from previous traditional or conventional ways to tell a story, whether or not you believe he succeeded in this. Even if you can argue that the story was utterly ridiculous tell me what story isn’t at least a bit ridiculous. It IS fiction, after all. How believable do you want it to be? The point its that either way, it will never be real. Thus, in reality anyone can write a story however they want, as long as they are consistent in they way they tell it.
For example, Star Wars was different for its time, but did everyone hate it? No. (I hope I don’t even have to mention that it’s almost quite the opposite) Did everyone have to like it? No. It’s a matter of opinion. Is this game exactly like/ better than Star Wars? No; that’s not what I’m trying to say. It is merely an example. Like MGS4 there are the typical people who hate it just to hate it—whose opinions are always right, of course—or the fanboys, all the people in between and the fanboys—whose opinions are always right, of course—as with anything, really.
In short, stop bitching (I couldn’t find a better word to describe it, really, but I apologize for the change in diction and—while I’m apologizing—grammatical quirks) about this game just because the game wasn’t the way you wanted it to be. Relax. Liking the game isn’t about brainpower or it “sucking”. It’s about what your own interests are; what seems good and appeals to you more for whatever reason. There is always a reason. Something cannot just “suck”. If you don’t like it: good for you. If you like it: good for you. We can agree to agree or agree to disagree. I just want everyone to stop this inane fighting over whose opinion is supposedly better. And I don’t just apply this to MGS4, but with everything and anything anyone can have an opinion on in general. Yes, you may disagree with me, but I’ll ask that you do it politely and without resorting to coarse or pretentious language at least, please.
Thank you for taking the time to read my humble opinion (a.k.a. mild rant) and I hope you all have a nice day. :)
P.S. Oh, and by the way. I liked the game.
I only watched my brother play it last summer though, but the story was good, albeit it too exposition-heavy. I enjoyed (most of) the characters and thought the ending to the series was perfect, despite never having really played any of the games before. My real gripe is that there could have been more gameplay and less cutscenes. My brother thought it was alright, but that MGS3 was the best game in the series. I’ve only just recently played MGS2 and thought that it had similar problems like MGS4, but I enjoyed it. For it’s flaws, the games’ seemingly endless cutscenes or other issues don’t bother me much. I guess it’s just my thing. My OPINION.
I agree with everything being said here.
Thank god someone else besides me hates these games. I go over to Gamespot and about 99% of people are giving these things 9 or 10 out of 10. It’s truly mind boggling. You’ve got characters who couldn’t possibly be any shallower, they sound like they’re drugged or maybe just semi-lucid. Then you’ve got these incredibly long-winded cutscenes that stop making sense after about 90 seconds, but they keep going for an hour. Then you get to play the game for 10 minutes, then another hour long cutscene, just piling the nonsense higher and higher until it becomes agonizing to sit through. And then there’s always some girl who wants to talk about your relationship – a thousand freakin’ times! – while you’re busy trying to save the world.
The game aspect of it is a shooter with a really awful control scheme. I am at a complete loss to understand what people see in these games. They talk about the “movie” aspect of the things, but for the love of god, they’re the worst movies I could ever imagine. They make Sci-Fi Channel Originals seem like Citizen Kane in comparison.
Well, I just have to say that Mgs4 is the best piece of interactive entertainment available. It’s tongue in cheek highly playable emotionally engrossing and a visual tour’de force (despite the less than desirable resolution). The only game that has ever meant something to me more than just killing time. Unforgettable (Unlike many games this generation).
Sorry. but mgs has always been convoluted and nonsensical… the only thing that has changed is long ass fmvs instead of short ones.
as to the plot.. beh.. I preferred serious sam!
I disagree with his opinion, which is fine.
But the blog creator sounds like he thinks that his opinion = fact.
This isn’t a stealth game theres no incentive to be stealthy when the enemies run at you in a straight line and you can buy unlimited ammo for a m-60. Splinter Cell is a stealth game, this is a mess.
The cut scenes needed major editing, but Kojima is so successful no-one must have had the balls to tell him: “Hey you’re being a self indulgent wanker”
The gameplay was woeful, snake was a disaster
to control. “oh, i can use triangle to vault over this 3 foot wall but not that 3 foot wall” thats just lazy. He ignored the gameplay and concentrated on the ridiculous cut-scenes.
Lol – I liked the article… and I really liked all these posts defending what a great game it is – those are better than the article itself….
Ive never played it, or any of the Metal Gear games…
But you’re all douchebags for crying because someone doesnt like it…
i’ve never played MGS 3 and MGS 4 but
I play the first MGS in the PS and it was one of the best game i’ve ever played, the second isn’t that great compared to the first, and the PSP version is not what i remember MGS is all about (the syphon filter psp series is far more better, and tactic wise the SOCOM US navy seal tactic is much better)…
sh!t man, i had the whole sh!t sandwich for lunch. i ate the sh!t sandwich bite by bite, with sweet pickle relish in the middle of the sh!t sandwich. sh!t that was a terrible sh!t sandwich. sh!t.
Just because you did not like it and come talking like your opinion is god writing doesn’t mean it sucks. It just means you don’t like it. Other people do so you should have named your artice: Why I did not enjoy Metal Gear Solid 4.
Opinions and facts are two different things.
MGS4 is 90% “walking in a tunnel” no freedom of choice movement or tactic.
ABSOLUTE “shit sandwitch”
ABSOLUTE “shit sandwitch”
ABSOLUTE “shit sandwitch”
i feel stupid buying the ps3 and hd screen specially for MGS4 – thanks to my respect and trust in MGS.
cheesy dialog game made for losers with no life.
hello is this thing on?
Alright, some people dont like the game…. fine i get it…. doesnt affect me or my enjoyment of MGS.
you know what i do when i start playing a game i dont like……..
I stop playing it.
why do you care if i like Metal Gear? Why do you let it bother you so much as to write an essay about it? there are sooooo many games coming out, you can’t keep up with them all.
go find one you like and have fun playing it.
Oh, and i can tell you EXACTLY how many penguins live in the arctic….
Zero
Penguins live in the antarctic.
Let me say that i just finished mgs4 and it was the worst piece of sh.t game ive every played!!!!!!!!!!!!! to many movies what a waste of time!!!!!!!! this guy is sooo right.
Hang yourself
Something tells me the greater majority of critics on here have never actually played MGS4; they bleat out the same incoherent opinionated arguments like mentally handicapped sheep, convinced that from their arbitrary viewpoint due to a few flaws that comprise probably less than 1% of the overall gameplay experience that the whole game can be called crap or shite.
I’m not going to try and change their minds because this is the biggest lot of ignoramuses I’ve ever seen in my life and they clearly either suffer from Down syndrome or the typical Internet Badass affliction- ie they don’t actually know what they’re talking about but they parrot the minority in order to try and seem like they’re not part of a ‘brainwashed’ majority.
tl;dr most if not all of the negative reviewers here are idiots who try to elevate themselves above the majority by claiming superiority simply due to their standing as a minority. “I DO NOT LIKE A POPULAR GAME THEREFORE I AM COOL” is the prime psychological mindset of this barrel of buffoons and sadly enough their viewpoints can’t be forcibly changed; oh, in time, maybe when they hit puberty and gain a bit of maturity (hopefully an IQ point or two) they’ll see just how stupid they look and quietly slip over to a neutral standing in the midst of self-inflicted embarrassment, but until then they will only act as idiots trying to fit in with a group of bigger, slightly more persuasive idiots.
NOTE: If one of the aforementioned idiots responds to this their response will no doubt encompass a profane word or two, followed by commonly used ‘cool person’ language eg references to feces as food (SHIT SANDWICH) deftly followed up by a proclamation that MGS4 “4 SRS RLLY IZ” crap/bad/utter shite, and finishing with an affirmation that their opinion is completely factual and that everyone else is dumb for thinking otherwise.
Now that they’ve read that, if they have half a braincell to spare, they will painstakingly type out a response in the space of about half an hour, trying to make sure they leave out everything I’ve mentioned but ultimately failing as those items make up the core of their argument. The best responses to this from the negative side will probably either be “MGS4 IS CRAP” or “PS3 FANBOY”.
Frankly watching these idiots is almost an art form… highly amusing if you don’t get drawn into it. I’ll be waiting for your hip responses of coolness, loves.
I apologize, but I had could go on after reading your first paragraph of bitching. I also cannot understand why someone would waste their time writing a shit sandwich of a novel to describe other shit sandwiches in existence. This is a fucking waste of disk space, bandwidth and time.
**correction**
I apologize, but I [could not go on] after reading your first paragraph of bitching. I also cannot understand why someone would waste their time writing a shit sandwich of a novel to describe other shit sandwiches in existence. This is a fucking waste of disk space, bandwidth and time.
The reason that rang true for me why I despise this game was simple.
TERRIBLE MOMENTUM!
Honestly the game itself is so intolerable because of the absolutely heinous attempt at pseudo cinematics , over the top Japanese crypto robot/ninja kooky characters, and the biggest killer of the game MIND FUCKINGLY BAD MOMENTUM AND STORY!
This series has become incredibly tacky and vulgar, it is exactly like the reviewer described it. A bad soap opera with incredibly over the top characters that just pulls you in basely on shock value. Well Im sorry to burst your little bliss bubble fanboys but just because something works good and is visually appealing doesn’t mean its not total shit. Im not going to rant on forever about this game being the spawn of satan but leave off by saying it has no flow. You have this gorgeous race car with flat tires and the pit crew is doing backflips around you while the other racers are up ahead. Finally your wheels are pumped just in time to make it 1/4th of the way around the racetrack when a movie screen pops into the windshield of your car and you are blinded and can no longer drive. Thats what MGS4 is sort of like in a meat grinder.
MGS4 does suck, i dont know why it was so popular way back when
Yeah MGS4 sucks a lot. My 8-year-old got into it, but of course he completely skips ALL the cut-scenes. If the cut-scenes were edited into a continuous movie, RottenTomatoes would probably give it a 1 on a scale of 1-100. It is truly shitty. The game without the cut-scenes is pretty good, but the critics who gave it a 9.5 are game-retarded; it’s more like a 7.
All videogames suck. Get a life.
You know, even though you bitch and moan about the “cliched” parts, you said absolutely nothing about why it’s so cliche. And race-baiting? I doubt “Hurrdurr, have you notice Asians do this, while White people do that” is a persuasive argument. Leave that to shitty stand-up comics.
For the record, nothing is original anymore. Even Batman has just as many bad overused cliches. And I like Batman.
However, I will admit that Laughing Octopus has a terrible sob-story. The other three were at least believable but come on.
Huh. Old post, but I’ll leave something for the ages.
MGS 4 wasn’t as good as MGS 1 or 3. Better than 2, better than most games out there. Story was true enough for the series. Gameplay was different, not broken, but not MGS either. Graphics were great, the violence was cartoony when not in the cutscenes, the mechanism of buying guns was flawed as hell, the level design was poor most of the time, and the idea of helping militiamen wasn’t execute too well, but damn, despite these flaws, I’ve still played the game about six times over. I’d give it an 8. Nothing lower because few games can tolerate such flaws and still get played six times over by me, and I’m one cynical motherfucker.
1st of all all you people need to shit the fuck up! Metal gear is the best game ever invented! now halo is a piece of shit game that only losers play! now you can all go suck a dick and play your dumb halo piece of shit games since all you know how to do is suck a dick!
What a ignorant debate (debate on nothing but sheer personal opinions), but I enjoyed reading some of the comments. Please do continue. LMAO
P.S. by the way I like this game and It’s simply a masterpiece.
In MGS2 is was urine. Every other person in this game wets themselves. You could actually have your character experience a never ending “Golden Shower.” You could go into 1st person perspective and watch as the urine obscured and distorted your vision. In MGS4 is was poop. Your soldier buddy craps his pants, the Metal Gears moo and shit, and people think these games are good? Oh, maybe in MGS6 you’ll be able to get all the main and minor characters together for a reenactment of swap.avi, I’m sure the fan boys would still think it’s brilliant. Hideo Kojima needs to spend less time on the bodily functions of minor characters and hours of cutscenes, and more time making an actual game with an actual storyline and actually decent gameplay. If you want an actual good game with stealth and shooting aspects, F.E.A.R or the Splinter Cell series are far better titles.
As a fan of the MGS series… I completely understand where the OP is coming from.
I played the original Metal Gear Soild when I was around 14 years old, and absolutely loved it. It was custscene-heavy, yes, but that was fairly new at the time, and largely the appeal. It was like playing through a high budget action film or something. In 1998, there was nothing quite like that. In addition, the storyline, while a little Japan-centric, was pretty straight-forward and intelligent. There were some silly plot twists, but nothing too bad. A couple bosses were a little over-the-top… but executed a lot more subtley. If that makes any sense. I still consider the original MGS to have one of the best videogame storylines I’ve ever experienced.
Then we got the sequel. And I don’t know what happened. I think after the success of the original… the guy (Kojima) just got his head up his own ass. Or dropped a lot of acid or something. Maybe both. I loved the gameplay of the sequel, but the storyline completely sucked. For the most part the narrative was non-sensical, fractured, ridiculously over-the-top, cheesy, heady, overly-melodramtic, self-important, heavy-handed, etc. It was probably the biggest disappointment of my videogame career.
The third game was a little better in the story department. It was still very over-the-top and outlandish, but by this time, I had accepted that this was what MGS had become, and I could accept and enjoy it for what it was. But the story wasn’t terrible at least, and it was at least easy to follow. And I’ve always enjoyed MGS’s gameplay.
And on to MGS4… the biggest problem with MGS4′s storyline is that it had to fill in all the ridiculous amounts of plot holes and plot threads that MGS2 created. MGS2 is the main (though certainly not the sole) culprit for all the problems with MGS4′s narrative. As someone who did play all the games, it did indeed, at the very least, tie up all those holes with all those outrageously long cutscenes. Unfortuantely, many of those plot threads were just stupid to begin with, so any explanations offered were equally stupid. The game is most certiantly not perfect, most certainly very flawed, and most certainly did not deserve a 10/10. In my opinion, anyway. And yes, I am a fan of this series. I have played all of the MGS games through multiple times. The exception being MGS4, which I have not been compelled to return to for any reason.
Hideo Kojima is indeed capable of crafting good videogame storylines that are compelling and memorable. At least, he was at one time. Snatcher for the Sega CD and the original Metal Gear Solid are a testament to that in my eyes at least. Those are two games that I remember very fondly for their storylines in particular. But that ended with MGS2.
Geez, If MGS4 is such a bad game with such a terrible story. I wonder how it was made Game of the Year from several major gaming publications…
It might not be the best game or plot ever, but it’s very close to it in my opinion. I’ve almost played every single game in the Metal Gear saga and it never lets me down in it’s storyline. Though minor problems in the game itsself occur such as camera or control problems.
Even though there are minor problems in the gameplay, I ignore them and enjoy the story and game to the fullest.
For those who think this game is not espionage by the slightest bit is neither wrong or right. You have freedom to what you want to do in this game. Don’t want to get detected? Then don’t. Want to frustrate all your anger? Then shoot those motherfuckers.
This was my opinion on the game.
All the fuckers that don’t respect this opinion can go die in hell where all the sucky games are! xP
time is only wasting so why wait for eventually.
I just finished playing this game and agree with what this blogger said. The story is crap, OMG it makes my skin crawl. The presentation is awful, it’s like they’re speaking Japanese in English. I know exactly what they mean to say (I’m half Japanese) but whoever did the translation clearly doesn’t have college education. Characters are soooo cliched they will give you diabetes. I hated Snake most because he likes to black out all the time from being so old and retarded (like when Rex beat Ray, Liquid rolls out of the wreck, ONE SHOT and Snake could have ended it all. But no, he has to jump off, injure himself, and get all delirious on the pier. I was like dude, just go die, you’re worthless). I can’t believe how much fanboyism I’m seeing here lol
I love you man! In fact I’m asian but for a moment I thought you were reading my mind. Thumbs up.
I love how XBOX360 fanboys always give negative reviews of PS3 Exclusives because PS3 Exclusives are way better than XBOX 360 Exclusives. I have both and I use my XBOX 360 as a TV Dinner Trey now… wish I never wasted a dime on an expensive dinner trey. Typical Xbox fanboys are 30 year old retards living in their parents’ basement without a job. How funny…
That a trAy for your dinner and my cousin is actually what you just described but a PS3ist BTW I play PC
The whole Metal Gear series sucks. It’s story, over-complicated, badly voiced characters, silly character designs, shallow plot.
If you mixed all of the above in one big blender, you’ll get a Western Soup made in Japan cooked by a Japanese retarded.
He should let newcomers to develop and innovate Metal Gear and avoid meddling with the whole process.