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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://www.coderetard.com/2008/09/02/is-piracy-theft/#comment-11686</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nugget sucks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nugget sucks</p>
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		<title>By: troll</title>
		<link>http://www.coderetard.com/2008/09/02/is-piracy-theft/#comment-11002</link>
		<dc:creator>troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 05:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he didn&#039;t take anything. he made a copy. read the slogan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he didn&#8217;t take anything. he made a copy. read the slogan.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.coderetard.com/2008/09/02/is-piracy-theft/#comment-9771</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re just saying that to make yourself feel better. That&#039;s what the student editions are for.  How can you jusify theft by saying it cost too much so it&#039;s alright for you to take it?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re just saying that to make yourself feel better. That&#8217;s what the student editions are for.  How can you jusify theft by saying it cost too much so it&#8217;s alright for you to take it?!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.coderetard.com/2008/09/02/is-piracy-theft/#comment-7768</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*cough*

It cost adobe millions of dollars to develop that product.  They did this so that people would buy it, and they&#039;d have money with which to develop other products (and buy yachts).  Let&#039;s not use cars.  Let&#039;s use newspapers.  It costs nearly 2 cents to create a physical copy of a newspaper after the original has been designed.

But stealing that paper is still stealing.  And it&#039;s stealing more than 2 cents worth of work.  It&#039;s stealing a little of the man-hours and the salaries and the research fees and the office upkeep and the equipment fees of the paper.  In the end they created information, not a physical product.  But no less time was put into finding and organizing that information for your benefit.

So you want to know how your pirating Adobe Photoshop is hurting anyone.  How about legitimate users that have to pay extra for the product?  How about the company itself and the employees who spent millions developing the product?

&quot;But I wouldn&#039;t have bought it anyway!&quot;

Yeah, I know.  But when you don&#039;t buy things you don&#039;t get to have them.  Them&#039;s the rules.  There are lots of times I want something tangible: a car, a candy bar, a game.  But if I took it, it would still be stealing.  How is this any different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*cough*</p>
<p>It cost adobe millions of dollars to develop that product.  They did this so that people would buy it, and they&#8217;d have money with which to develop other products (and buy yachts).  Let&#8217;s not use cars.  Let&#8217;s use newspapers.  It costs nearly 2 cents to create a physical copy of a newspaper after the original has been designed.</p>
<p>But stealing that paper is still stealing.  And it&#8217;s stealing more than 2 cents worth of work.  It&#8217;s stealing a little of the man-hours and the salaries and the research fees and the office upkeep and the equipment fees of the paper.  In the end they created information, not a physical product.  But no less time was put into finding and organizing that information for your benefit.</p>
<p>So you want to know how your pirating Adobe Photoshop is hurting anyone.  How about legitimate users that have to pay extra for the product?  How about the company itself and the employees who spent millions developing the product?</p>
<p>&#8220;But I wouldn&#8217;t have bought it anyway!&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, I know.  But when you don&#8217;t buy things you don&#8217;t get to have them.  Them&#8217;s the rules.  There are lots of times I want something tangible: a car, a candy bar, a game.  But if I took it, it would still be stealing.  How is this any different?</p>
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		<title>By: Stan the Man</title>
		<link>http://www.coderetard.com/2008/09/02/is-piracy-theft/#comment-7669</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan the Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dictator</title>
		<link>http://www.coderetard.com/2008/09/02/is-piracy-theft/#comment-6616</link>
		<dc:creator>Dictator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, if you&#039;re open sourced, there will be no need to pirate your software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, if you&#8217;re open sourced, there will be no need to pirate your software.</p>
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		<title>By: dorkus</title>
		<link>http://www.coderetard.com/2008/09/02/is-piracy-theft/#comment-3620</link>
		<dc:creator>dorkus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s play some logic games....

apple=fruit
banana=fruit

apple does not equal banana even though they are both fruits.

stealing=violation of a law 
piracy=violation of a law 

stealing does not equal piracy, even though both violate a law... just not the same law (theft of property vs. copyright violation).

Trying to equate the two will literally take an act of congress to change our laws.

There can be no question as to whether or not it is wrong (it violates a law), but wrong does not equal the same.

Under this logic,

stealing = murder = securities fraud

All wrong since they all violate laws... just different laws, which does not make them the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s play some logic games&#8230;.</p>
<p>apple=fruit<br />
banana=fruit</p>
<p>apple does not equal banana even though they are both fruits.</p>
<p>stealing=violation of a law<br />
piracy=violation of a law </p>
<p>stealing does not equal piracy, even though both violate a law&#8230; just not the same law (theft of property vs. copyright violation).</p>
<p>Trying to equate the two will literally take an act of congress to change our laws.</p>
<p>There can be no question as to whether or not it is wrong (it violates a law), but wrong does not equal the same.</p>
<p>Under this logic,</p>
<p>stealing = murder = securities fraud</p>
<p>All wrong since they all violate laws&#8230; just different laws, which does not make them the same.</p>
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		<title>By: doom saber</title>
		<link>http://www.coderetard.com/2008/09/02/is-piracy-theft/#comment-3397</link>
		<dc:creator>doom saber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True.  The internet is a new kind of beast where software companies are pushin for online distrubution to ironically, deal with illegal downloads.

I find it ironic since it would probably prevent theft in the short run because eventually someone would make some sort of patch to go around the protection. 

However, piracy DOES hurt companies.  A lot of videogame companies do not like makin software for the PC because of theft.  For instance, Capcom blames the lack of sales for Devil May cry 4 on the PC on pirates.  Because of this, Capcom opted to sell games like Bionic Commando Rearmed for the PC more than the versions on xboxlive and psn. EA no longer produce Maddan or any sports games on the PC because of piracy.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/04/peter-moore-explains-ea-sports-pc-snub/

I always refer to piracy as theft because it all comes down to takin something that you did not pay for w/o permission.

I am wonderin why some ppl felt that piracy isn&#039;t theft despite that the term &quot;piracy&quot; was initially used for robbery at sea?  Personally, l think the suits or whatever just wanted to refer to piracy with a fancy name and some ppl just mistake it as something other than stealing.

I mean no matter what piracy is called, at the end of the day, somebody is modifiying a program or hackin into a website to make something accessable for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True.  The internet is a new kind of beast where software companies are pushin for online distrubution to ironically, deal with illegal downloads.</p>
<p>I find it ironic since it would probably prevent theft in the short run because eventually someone would make some sort of patch to go around the protection. </p>
<p>However, piracy DOES hurt companies.  A lot of videogame companies do not like makin software for the PC because of theft.  For instance, Capcom blames the lack of sales for Devil May cry 4 on the PC on pirates.  Because of this, Capcom opted to sell games like Bionic Commando Rearmed for the PC more than the versions on xboxlive and psn. EA no longer produce Maddan or any sports games on the PC because of piracy.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/04/peter-moore-explains-ea-sports-pc-snub/" rel="nofollow">http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/04/peter-moore-explains-ea-sports-pc-snub/</a></p>
<p>I always refer to piracy as theft because it all comes down to takin something that you did not pay for w/o permission.</p>
<p>I am wonderin why some ppl felt that piracy isn&#8217;t theft despite that the term &#8220;piracy&#8221; was initially used for robbery at sea?  Personally, l think the suits or whatever just wanted to refer to piracy with a fancy name and some ppl just mistake it as something other than stealing.</p>
<p>I mean no matter what piracy is called, at the end of the day, somebody is modifiying a program or hackin into a website to make something accessable for free.</p>
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		<title>By: Js</title>
		<link>http://www.coderetard.com/2008/09/02/is-piracy-theft/#comment-3368</link>
		<dc:creator>Js</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But that is the &quot;trick&quot; with most piracy, the folks pirating stuff almost never produce anything that someone else would pirate. Most &quot;pirates&quot; that I know do not &quot;produce&quot;, they instead &quot;consume&quot;... and when you are never on the production end of a commodity you never learn respect for commodities. 

Then again most &quot;pirates&quot; these days tend to be kids and children, folks who have yet to learn the value of a dollar or a hard day&#039;s work. Thus they don&#039;t really value a lot of stuff and they think nothing of it&#039;s theft. When I was a kid the most commonly stolen item was candy and comic books. Today the most commonly stolen items are MP3&#039;s and videos. The difference is those of us who grew up pinching comics and gum either got caught and learned our lesson or we grew up and outgrew comics and gum. Today&#039;s kids will never outgrow the internet and I fear they will never outgrow digital theft. When you never get caught you act with impunity and just get more brazen, to the point you don&#039;t even bat an eye when you pirate thousand dollar production software like Maya or Max. Then when someone calls you on it you dance around the issue claiming that it isn&#039;t real theft it&#039;s simply &quot;intellectual rights violations&quot;. 

Well it&#039;s all &quot;it&#039;s not theft it&#039;s copyright infringement&quot; until someone nabs your ass and you are standing tall before a judge. Then you&#039;ll quickly see how such mundane words as &quot;copyright infringement&quot; and &quot;theft&quot; both equate to heavy fines or perhaps jail. What they actually charge you with is almost inconsequential at that point... handcuffs feel the same no matter what they call your crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that is the &#8220;trick&#8221; with most piracy, the folks pirating stuff almost never produce anything that someone else would pirate. Most &#8220;pirates&#8221; that I know do not &#8220;produce&#8221;, they instead &#8220;consume&#8221;&#8230; and when you are never on the production end of a commodity you never learn respect for commodities. </p>
<p>Then again most &#8220;pirates&#8221; these days tend to be kids and children, folks who have yet to learn the value of a dollar or a hard day&#8217;s work. Thus they don&#8217;t really value a lot of stuff and they think nothing of it&#8217;s theft. When I was a kid the most commonly stolen item was candy and comic books. Today the most commonly stolen items are MP3&#8217;s and videos. The difference is those of us who grew up pinching comics and gum either got caught and learned our lesson or we grew up and outgrew comics and gum. Today&#8217;s kids will never outgrow the internet and I fear they will never outgrow digital theft. When you never get caught you act with impunity and just get more brazen, to the point you don&#8217;t even bat an eye when you pirate thousand dollar production software like Maya or Max. Then when someone calls you on it you dance around the issue claiming that it isn&#8217;t real theft it&#8217;s simply &#8220;intellectual rights violations&#8221;. </p>
<p>Well it&#8217;s all &#8220;it&#8217;s not theft it&#8217;s copyright infringement&#8221; until someone nabs your ass and you are standing tall before a judge. Then you&#8217;ll quickly see how such mundane words as &#8220;copyright infringement&#8221; and &#8220;theft&#8221; both equate to heavy fines or perhaps jail. What they actually charge you with is almost inconsequential at that point&#8230; handcuffs feel the same no matter what they call your crime.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr_V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr_V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of the adage, &quot;Everyone hates advertising, until they have something to sell.&quot; 

Same with graffiti. It&#039;s great to young kids until their home gets tagged. 

Everyone who loves or is ok with piracy, feels that way until they have their own product that gets pirated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of the adage, &#8220;Everyone hates advertising, until they have something to sell.&#8221; </p>
<p>Same with graffiti. It&#8217;s great to young kids until their home gets tagged. </p>
<p>Everyone who loves or is ok with piracy, feels that way until they have their own product that gets pirated.</p>
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